Jesus and his "unique" insight into human nature are highly overrated. Thats right I said nothing, you take biology here and the origin of life is never discussed at all. i don't even know who is the head of the "church" -- everyone kept referring to "they" but no specific individual/s were ever mentioned. We promise that you'll be taken to Saturn after your death, with our invisible intergalactic spaceship. Yes! This is great I watched it on the BBC website when it first came out. All of society has been influenced. Documentary. I find it fitting how this "me centered" cult promotes gain on financial contribution. A powerful global corporation? xenutv.net Are they die-hard converts or, in fact, celebrity hostages? its a bumper crop of mushroom-heads, pegging clear stinko on the f-meter. He was a working partner of John ("Jack") Whiteside Parsons who *was" actually a brilliant individual & independent thinker, and from where L.Ron learned of Crowley's writings & philosophy. Louis Theroux tries to understand how Jimmy Savile was able to get away with his crimes. Just like every religion, it's based in brainwashing, mind control, and brute force to get people in, or certain people out, wow, real corrupt **** going on. Mack, some slight distinctions: the bearded guy is historically accepted (by 99% of scholars anyway) to have existed if not performed miracles. There were no histrionics from John Sweeney this time but a second look at Scientology underlined the insidious aspects of the controversial organization. Fact is, they take the whole teachings of Jesus thing pretty seriously and conduct their business accordingly. Jesus' teachings might motivate you to be kind and generous, but that still doesn't make the 6-day creation of earth, global flood, 2-of-every-species-on-one-boat, virgin birth, or resurrection of the dead tales any less a load of BS. I remember feeling completely numb and making sure to arrange my expression so that the course supervisor would not realize how stunned I was. I would also agree that the two religions, scientology and christianity, are not comparable. It is so easy to assume that a person of a certain denomination totally believes the dogma of that denomination. The problem is how it, judging by the information displayed in the documentary, is used by some people, to manipulate, enslave, or even destroy other people. Have you ever had auditing or done a course? Life is such a short, bumpy journey. So, don't assume, because you know this or that about this or that group, that you have a clear picture of all Christians. You lose all your ammunition when you make a huge simplification like "they always seem to..." Like I said, I'm a Mennonite. @The topic of prejudgement; It is blatantly true in this world that the vast majority of wholly individual people get pidgeon-holed by some percieved image of one of their personality traits. So if your watching this and thinking to your self "i'm glad i believe in some bloke who made wine magically appear and rose from the dead" or "the bloke with a fat belly and a nice demeanor who sat under a tree is the one for me" you are a hypocrite. Then, and only then, will we "(...) move in to the rightfully modern world we deserve". My church doesn't, and its not a practice that is tolerated in our denomination as a whole. No problem man, i am sorry i jumped at you. John Sweeney investigates the Church of Scientology and allegations made by former members and relatives of current members. I.E. Enjoyed this film Thoroughly. Gibney interviews a handful of high-level Scientology officers who left the Church and are now willing to denounce it. Isn't it funny how, if you criticize religion, you are judged as being intolerant, yet all the major religions are themselves profoundly intolerant and hypocritical? That is unfortunate, but you cannot look at only that and say that is Scientology. Scientology denied sending PIs after the BBC. You just don't hear about the rest of us. All religion is trash. but we react that way because it hasnt had the history of our other belief systeems, i put it to you that if this was taught to you from childhood or had roots in earlier cultures then we look on this the same as any religion . Anyone with a percentile of common sense knows that this is a scam and to top it all off, we got the worst dead-end career actors to help these people. The extraordinary thing about Alex Gibney’s new documentary, Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief, is that it does more than address these questions; it offers substantive answers. I'm not campaigning that anyone outlaw Scientology. I had one teacher in high school that tried to teach it but, so many parents came to the school throwing a fit that he was fired. This film is backed by Scientology. Last night, HBO aired Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief, Alex Gibney’s documentary exposé of the Church of Scientology and its founder, science fiction writer L. … Scientology is a particularly entertaining case study because members of all the other religions will point out how different and insane Scientologists are, and conveniently overlook the nonsensical things and dubious motivations and actions of their own cosmic feel-good racket. I don't believe in a 6 day creation or the biblical flood. I imagine a lot of these people go to Scientology when they are in some kind of emotional crisis (NOT financial, mind you ;) ) and in that state people are incredibly malleable. Tommy Davis, the international spokesperson for Scientology, did not w… l .r hubard. Going Clear captures how Hubbard fused reality, fantasy and the pursuit of enlightenment in a way that, according to the film’s witnesses, expressed his own highly unstable and even violent nature – at one point Gibney shows how Hubbard even told his wife that one of their children had died, just to manipulate her. Wow they really gotta be total head cases to buy any of that stuff. and then the Pacific area ones Scientology essentially throws money at anybody or anything that gets in its way. Scientologists believe in silly stuff. he's relentless on the subject we should all a note of the passion there x. it would seem that anyone involved in espionage need not hold the camera, of which their eye is damn near pressed to the LCD screen. Not to mention the surveillance, blatant disrespect of those following him, harassment, intrusion, etc. after 6 years of battle For me, a god with human emotions such and pride and anger and jealousy never made much sense. Give the alien lord 50% of your wealth Those money grubbing evangelizing poor people scorning Quakers. he neglected to define the term "cult" and, even though people generally know what is meant, it should have been spelled out, with examples documented. Aren't they some-what related? Las Palmas and there "packaged." Can any such simple and universally positive synopsis be made for Scientology? I would definitely join you in refusing to declare certainty about anything not observable. For all the brave and insightful exposes that have been written about the Church of Scientology, an aura of impenetrable mystery remains. But having already installed L. Ron Hubbard in my mind as the unerring dispenser of Truth, there was no way for me to reject the information. In it, reporter John Sweeney visited the United States to investigate whether the Church of Scientology was becoming more mainstream. I agree entirely! You're either a saint or a liar if you say that wouldn't push you over the edge. Anyway my point is that I feel absolutedly horrible for helping destroy his faith, maybe he would not have killed himself if he could have held on to the belief that he would see them again or that his father whom was a preacher had not wasted his life. The programme gained particular controversy before and during filming due to unresolved differences on content and approach between Sweeney's production team and Scientology members. You don't need to be won over by their nonsense to be affected, that's my point; gays certainly aren't won over by the Mormon churches nonsense, but they are most certainly affected. What it is, who we are, how we get into a less than optimum state and most importantly, what exactly to do to get to how we want to be. You said, "But the negative things that Scientology does reflect more subtle elements that are present in many “normal” religious communities as well. Oh wait, Quakers are the opposite? It's just so boring you don't read about, and you surely won't hear about what Mennonites are doing from neo-atheist noisemakers. is about him. Furthermore,..... Tom Cruise and John Travolta are two extremely shitty actors. Everything you need to know about Scientology. Combined, there are more than 200k people following us through these channels: You should sign up for our newsletter. That said, there is no proof what so ever that Jesus ever performed a miracle. THIS is a great film by the way! image caption The Church of Scientology has denounced the film as being informed by "misfits" Sky Atlantic is to show a controversial documentary on Scientology… YAY JESUS! We all have opinions and experiences and our own definitions of Truth and other Mysteries and Unknowns of life don't we ? One thing I will say for the simple bunch I live around, they believe in privacy and personal liberty and have no issue with shooting to kill in order to defend theirs. The program could have been better though. I imagine someone, centuries from now, sitting there in shock just as you are now, pondering the same thing about all man made religions. 3. preyed upon) by Scientologists. Much praise to Vlatko for propagating free speech, liberty, and knowledge to all seekers of truth and justice. I'm sure a majority of lay Scientologists are dedicated, good-willed, motivated people working to better the world. This website deserve's a Nobel prize for all the knowledge it delivers to the internet age! Even the snake handling faith healer religionists don't go to these lengths to discredit interviewers. The Inquisition, Crusades, and all America has done in the name of God. The head of the Galactic How do you know Scientology's OT III was actually written by L. Ron Hubbard? It’s called ALIEN-TOLOGY. Knowledge and religion don't mix. They insist on trying to force their inherited stupidity on others. I don't mean to embarrass you but you have really impressed me, as well as made me realize that alot of my criticism of people of faith needs to be examined and at the least rephrased. HAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaHHAHAAa). i suppose evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. This is a dangerous cult that breaks up families and can destroy peoples lives, that's enough reason to be scared. Going Clear, however, suggests a dramatic difference between auditing and traditional therapy: it claims that the Church of Scientology holds on to the notes from the sessions and uses them to blackmail its members into staying. Now that was fine! It does not seem respectful of the infinitely greater. And the answer is... Drumroll.......... BRAINWASHING! its got an insider from the church who has now left and is still a scientologist but doesn't agree with the way the church is run. You bet I'm not @Achems. This occurs all over the world and is why people do it. makes me feel scared, anyways great doc , loves john sweeneys reactions throughout Answer me if I'm correct or incredibly wrong. someone should spike the water supply of their compound with some LSD or kidnap the leaders and force them to drink some ayahuasca or do some ibogaine. And here's an excerpt from a piece by Stacy Brooks describing her reactions upon first reading OT III: I can't answer for all of history and all past actions, just as I wouldn't ask you to be ideologically responsible for the atrocities of Stalin or the Nietzsche-obsessed child-rapist who used to live down the street from me. you can spot a scientologist from a mile away, once you know what to look for, and they're everywhere. ( Sounds like some rich old geezers were hot for young babes and have provided the scripture to make it happen.) Gibney suggests Hubbard’s method of healing was really just a superficial take on Freudian therapy, a comparison that Hubbard scorned – though only after his techniques had been rejected as rubbish by legitimate psychiatrists. Louis Theroux heads to Los Angeles for his feature documentary, in collaboration with director John Dower and double Academy Award winning producer Simon Chinn, exploring the Church of Scientology. But with former ‘church’ spokesman Mike Rinder at Sweeney’s side, the lengths to which the religion of the stars will go to discredit its critics – including dividing families - became horribly clear. "I sat there for a long time after I read this startling revelation. I'm not interested in winning. (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera) loathsome hollywierd c--k s---ers as toy soldiers, with xenu,jesus,buddha ... whoever it doesn't matter both represent the same ideals and will all ultimately halt mental progress. 2. Why should religion be tolerated? "the church keeps the heat up on these heretics.". I distinctly remember feeling like I was in a state of suspended animation; as if I were watching myself to see how I was going to react to this news. My questions are asked exactly because my exposure to scientology is limited, you would be capable of providing an insider perspective by answering the questions I asked you before, looking forward to it. 2) High spirited young women (sexual) should be be matched with older men of means to control her spirit. ez2b12 bought into another type of cult. Wow, this cult is sure more messed up then I thought it was many years ago when I first heard about it. In thier original and pure forms though, they are beautiful- this is why i studied theology. i was very shocked to find that it is real who would be so dumb as to belive in this. No one ever tried to intimidate us or expose secrets about us. His name was Xenu. I think cult YES. Concentration on the Xenu thing is simply an effort to make it look stupid by taking the most unreal thing and highlighting it. all kinds of religion must stop immeadiatly imo.. this nonsence does more harm than good. How is their method of psychological and spiritual intimidation any less humane or acceptable? I believe that if it is not experiential than it is not terribly useful. If I said all gays were diviant leather clad fiends who have no compuction against perorming sex acts on eachother in fromt of a 3rd grade class, I would be attacked by defenders gay or otherwise. I find it interesting, that instead of engage in thoughtful debate you insist on A) being certain you know what I, a complete stranger, believe B) impugning these supposed beliefs with belittling adjectives like "goofy" and "silly" and C) using unoriginal logic that does not apply to our conversation so much as it applies to a general conversation you are having with the ether - presumably because that one is easier to "win". However, during the course of his investigation he soon finds that he has become a target of the Church. Those that leave do put up with a lot of crap, but they are allowed to walk away if they wish. Corrupt, bent, controlling doesn't even begin to describe this institution (The church of scientology, not the BBC) ;). on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2) scientology , you have to be having a laugh. My point is that one cannot judge it by what is shown in that documentary. the first chick whom was said to be a spy was herself filmed holding the camera unseemingly(14:33). That is a very small part of Scientology. I used to live kind of close to it and it is so gross to have to see every day. scientology forbidding it's members from absorbing media is synonymous with christianity's "do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Is it a religion? The first program really made me like Scientology, and thus had the opposite effect on me. humans. The result is the most exciting – and disturbing – work of cinematic non-fiction in a long time. Love to all, And I will say as many times as i have to that it just isn't that simple. I would get slammed ad-nauseum by everyone with a keyboard. There is something that can be experienced, though perhaps never adequately defined, that I consider to be God. Now colleges go ahead and teach evolution, thank goodness, but not high schools or elementary schools. Very interesting. Every day, people learn how to help others and do so and all are better off as a result. @Coyote; Sure what they do as regards to family is terrible and yes they are some shady people. Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so. @Exteriorview: And what makes you think you're capable of perceiving the whole, as opposed to a limited picture that they want you to see? Louis Theroux. Random individuals do all kinds of dumb and selfish things. I really don't know what can be done to this cult, or pretty much other cults here in the United States, but its pretty sad that our tax money funds this sort of lunacy. That would be silly. Religion=money loving frauds, not just scientology all religion, god is fake, this is my opinion, if u dont like cry me a river. Data (1) (1) It works about as well on Christians as it does on Atheists. Its the anti-god theme. 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